Capitalism False Doctrines Usury L.A.M. Norman Oetker Missionary “The Light Amidst the Mong” Hmong Thailand, Reynosa Mexico, English Class, St. Charles Missouri US.

Capitalism and Usury  MEO L.A.M. Norman Oetker Missionary "The Light Amidst the Mong/MEO" Hmong Thailand, Reynosa Mexico, English Class, St. Charles Missouri US.

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  Below in part is a chat room discussion that I have had with a person named Hero.

 

Calvinism, Those Who Follow Their Group’s Man Made Doctrines And Teachings, Are Not Christians, They Have Fallen Away From The Teaching’s Of Christ. They Reject The Bible. They Are Followers Of Their Denomination’s Teachings.

Protestants, Who Follow Their Individual Group’s Doctrines And Teachings Are Not Christians. They Have Fallen Away From The Teaching’s Of Christ. They Reject The Bible. They Are Followers Of Their Denominations Teachings.

Catholics, Who Follow Their Group Doctrines And Teachings Are Not Christians.They Have Fallen Away From The Teaching’s Of Christ. They Reject The Bible. They Are Followers Of Their Denomination Teachings.

Catholics, and Protestants, And All Others, Under Any Name Tag Who Claim To Know Christ, And Who Don’t Live Out The Teaching’s Of Christ And The Apostles In Their Everyday Lives, Are In Fact, NOT Believers In Christ, Regardless Of The Title They Put Before Their Name.

Those Who In Fact Are Christian Believers, Are Those That Follow The Bible, “The Current Full Christian Bible Of Both The Old And New Testaments.”

And Only The Bible, As “The Rule Of Faith For One’s Life.”

All, And I Repeat, All Other Writings, By Any Group Are From “The Mind Of Man,” And Therefore, Are “Not Divinely Inspired” And Therefore, These Writings Cannot Be Substituted as Being “The Rule of Faith And Guidance In One’s Life.”

The Bible And The Bible Alone, Is The Only Gateway To Understanding God And His Plan For Mankind. It Is Now Through Christ, And The Apostle’s Writings.

John Calvin Wasn’t The Leader Of The Protestant Reformation. 

John Calvin Broke Away From The Teachings Of The Bible, Christ And The Apostles, In His Doctrine Of “Once Saved Always Saved.” “Predestination.”

John Calvin: Encyclopedia II – John Calvin – Usury and Capitalism

 

Hero, the sources that I have  used are neutral, they are not against any religious group. Part of the information is from the Web, the other is from my Britannica’s that I have here with me in Reynosa MK.

Hero,… in Matthew 25:27  Jesus approved Usury…. Thou oughtest therefore to have put my money to the exchangers, and then at my coming I should have received mine own with usury.

Hero,… you stated,… “Calvin stopped the practice of banning usury among his followers.”

This statement is correct in part, need less to say, though, he’s stating with the same force, that those that are unable should not be charged interest.

John Calvin: Encyclopedia II – John Calvin – Usury and Capitalism

John Calvin – Usury and Capitalism

One school of thought about Calvinism long has been that it represented a revolt against the medieval condemnation of usury, and implicitly profit, helping to set the stage for the development of capitalism in northern Europe. Such a connection was advanced in influential works by R.H. Tawney and by Max Weber.

Calvin expressed himself on usury in a letter to a friend, Oecolampadius. In this letter, he criticized the use of certain passages of scripture invoked by people opposed to the charging of interest — he re-interpreted some of these passages, and suggested that others of them had been rendered irrelevant by changed conditions.

He also dismissed the argument (based upon the writings of Aristotle) that it is wrong to charge interest for money because money itself is barren. He said that the walls and the roof of a house are barren, too, but it is permissible to charge someone for allowing him to use them. In the same way, money can be made fruitful.

He also said, though, that money should be lent to people in dire need without hope of interest.  

Hero,… you have stated that because of this He, John Calvin, set the course for …. “This of course was the foundation of immoral capitalism.”

Hero,… you have your opinion, that he is the founder of immoral capitalism, yet quite to the contrary, secular history, at least in the Britannica, has him, John Calvin, with multiple important treatise’s of different subjects, and the one that has affected more people than any other is his writings on “Predestination,”  or “once saved, always saved.” There is “NO” mention of him setting the foundation of immoral capitalism through the use of Usury.  

The Reformer within the Catholic church is generally held to be Martin Luther.

Reformation:

http://www.wsu.edu/~dee/REFORM/LUTHER.HTM

    Martin Luther, a Catholic German Monk (1483-1546) stands in history as one of those unique forces, an individual who by force of will and by his ideas changed the world fundamentally. There are several ironies incumbent on Luther’s pivotal role in history:

1) He doesn’t really represent a break with the past, but rather a flash point where ideas and trends which had been smoldering in Europe for several centuries suddenly blazed aflame;

2) Luther initially saw himself as a great reformer of the Catholic church, a simple monk who thought the force of his ideas would single-handedly redirect the Leviathan of the church; in the end, however, he divided Christianity into two separate churches and that second division, Protestantism, would divide over the next four centuries into a near infinity of separate churches;

3) finally, Luther (and all the other reformers) saw themselves as returning Christianity to its roots, they believed that they were setting the clock back; in reality, their ideas irreparably changed the world and pushed it kicking and screaming, not into some ideal past, but into the modern era.

   Luther was not a person you would want to have dinner with; he was temperamental, peevish, egomaniacal, and argumentative. But this single-mindedness, this enormous self-confidence and strident belief in the rightness of his arguments, allowed him to stand against opposition, indeed, to harden his position in the face of death by fire, the usual punishment for heretics. Luther became an Augustinian monk in 1505, disappointing his equally strong-willed father, who wished him to become a lawyer. He earned a doctorate in theology from the University of Wittenberg, but instead of settling down to a placid and scholarly monkish life or an uneventful university career teaching theology, he began to develop his own personal theology, which erupted into outright blasphemy when he protested the use of indulgences in his 95 Theses.

Indulgences, which were granted by the pope, forgave individual sinners not their sins, but the temporal punishment applied to those sins. These indulgences had become big business in much the same way pledge drives have become big business for public television in modern America. Luther’s Theses, which outlined his theological argument against the use of indulgences, were based on the notion that Christianity is fundamentally a phenomenon of the inner world of human beings and had little or nothing to do with the outer world, such as temporal punishments. It is this fundamental argument, not the controversy of the indulgences themselves, that most people in the church disapproved of and that led to Luther’s being hauled into court in 1518 to defend his arguments against the cardinal Cajetan. When the interview focused on the spiritual value of "good works," that is, the actions that people do in this world to benefit others and to pay off the debts they’ve incurred against God by sinning, Cajetan lost his temper and demanded that Luther recant. Luther ran, and his steady scission from the church was set in motion. The Northern Humanists, however, embraced Luther and his ideas.

   Luther’s first writing was The Sermon on Good Works, in which he argued that good works do not benefit the soul; only faith could do that. Things took a turn for the worse: Pope Leo declared 41 articles of Luther’s teachings as heretical teachings, and Luther’s books were publicly burned in Rome. Luther became more passionate in his effort to reform the church. His treatise, "Address to the Christian Nobility of Germany," pressed for the German nation to use military means to force the church to discuss grievances and reform; "A Prelude concerning the Babylonish Captivity of the Church" literally called for clergy in the church to openly revolt against Rome.

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There are many reasons the USA is going down the tubes. However, you see patterns in history. Once many groups broke away from the Catholic church then people became religiously soft. Their doctrines became confused and they stopped many good practices. The usury thing slowly lead to the rise of immoral capitalism. Of course I’m not saying capitalism is necessarily immoral just like socialism isn’t necessarily immoral.
However, capitalism gradually became evil because it was full of usury.

Hero,…The Catholic Church was evil by the accounts of all historians.

Hero,… try and understand what I’m saying and that is, those that don’t obey the teachings of Christ and the Apostles according to the Bible are not followers of Christ, they are following their own whims, they are not Christians, those who introduce other man made ideals as being the truth are false teachers, the Catholic as well as the Protestants who follow man made theologies are in fact not Christian.

These NON FOLLOWING CHRIST AND THE APOSTLE GROUPS, have introduce sin upon sin unto a people who, for the most part don’t care, if they are following Christ and the Apostle’s teachings in the first place.  

The Protestant Reformation wasn’t about charging "Interest."

  Hero…"Should poverty equal the disapproval of God or the opposite?"
Jesus in His 3 year ministry had no home, not a place to lay his Head. Needless to say, He was approved by His heavenly Father.

  Hero,…Right. So why do many (maybe most) protestants support the gospel of wealth? If your a good boy then you will be rich not just content.

  The wealth doctrine isn’t a Bible New Testament Concept, it’s a Evil, devilish ideal! It Is Taught In All Non Bible Believing Groups, Including The Catholics.

Almost all, not all, who say they are Protestant, those that practice the teachings of Christ and Apostles, are very few in deed.

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Maybe you could share those verses in Revelation. ok

Revelation: 17:1-19:10

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Did you know that Jews are not allowed to charge usury on each other?

The fall of the USA is not due to some secret Jewish conspiracy. The blame is on a variety of sources. The lack of a solid Christian religious doctrine due to many denominations is a big player.

It says in the book of revelation that the apostate (rebellious) church is to blame for many things (due to confusing and unsound doctrine) It says nothing of any Jews.

Ironically, many protestants want to say the Roman Catholic Church is a corrupt church. But nowadays the gospel of wealth and other stuff come from the protestants.  

Hero,…Christ’s Church Is Untouchable, Christ Is The Head Of His Church Here On Earth. What you are alluding to of a downfall is nothing more than the progression of sin in the World.

Again, the majority of the so called protestant denominations and the Catholics are not Christian. These groups do not follow Christ and the Apostles teachings according to the Current Full Christian Bible of Both The Old And New Testaments. They follow man made made doctrines which is ERROR, it is false teachings, heresy.

History speaks of the pagan-directed-catholic-groups, their false doctrines are similar to many pagan-directed-protestant-groups.

Hero,…These groups are not Christians.

The New Encyclopedia  Britannica States The Babylonian Corruptness Of The Roman Catholic Church Which Predates the Protestant Reformation.

Norman

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