Lost… Paul’s Epistles Originals, Bible Beginnings, Quotes From Authors MEO L.A.M. Norman Oetker Missionary “The Light Amidst the Mong/MEO” Hmong Thailand, Reynosa Mexico, English Class, St. Charles Missouri US.

    Lost… Paul’s Letters MEO L.A.M. Norman Oetker Missionary "The Light Amidst the Mong/MEO" Hmong Thailand, Reynosa Mexico, English Class, St. Charles Missouri US.


    CONTACT: normanoetker@hotmail.com  October 2009



    I’ve decided to post some of the material that I have. This material, is from the 5 volume set authored by, Thomas Hartwell Horne. The historical information, that T.H. Horne provides, on the beginning’s of the Bible, comes with ample historical secular historical reference.

    • The Point That I Want To Make Here Is That, The Current Gospels That We Have, Were In Fact, Written By The Apostles And Evangelists In The First Century. There Is An Abundance Of Empirical And Historical Records, From All Parts Of The Globe, That Give Witness To The Authenticity Of This Writings, From The First Century.

    • Now, It’s That These Greek Writings, And Their Copies, Where Sent -In The First Century, To All Parts Of The Known World, All Over! 

    • These Greek Copies, Subsequently Being Translated, Were Kept By Each Country, In Their Differing First Century Languages. These Languages, Upon Being Translated, In Fact, Give Witness To The The Exact Messages, Thoughts, Dates, Times, And Places, Of The First Century, Greek Speaking Apostolic Writers.

    • The Informational References That I’m Giving, Will In Fact, Cover a Couple Differing Points About The Authenticity Of The Current Christian Bible. Myself, Now Converted To Christianity, For The Past Thirty Four Years, And Therefore, Being A Former Roman Catholic- And I Might Add, I Was Born Into It, And I Had No Ideals Of Any Other Religions Other Than, What I Was Told Through The Doctrines Of The Church.  The Historical Information, In Which I’m Processing Now, Is To Let All Know- At Least From Me,- That The Roman Catholic Church Wasn’t In Existence In The First Century, Nor, In The Second Century.

    • Needless To Say, I Harbor No I’ll, Nor Hostility, Towards The Religionist, That Are Just That, “The Lost Religionist,” That Are Those, That Are Embraced Through The Deceptive Tentacles, Of False Traditions. My Love Towards Them, In Working To Bring To Them, The Biblical Truths, That The Gospel Of Jesus Christ Brings To All. This Basic Truth, Of faith In Christ, And In Christ Alone, Is Plainly Espoused In The Catholics, St. Joseph Bible.  

    • The Roman Catholic Church In Existence Today, Is Just Anther Traditional Religious Group, That Have Placed Their Traditional Beliefs And Practices, On The Same Spiritual Level As To Being Inspired, As the Christian Bible Is Inspired. This is FALSE! The Catholic Church Is By Far, One Of The Oldest False Religions Of Today.

    • The Christian Bible Stands Alone, As The Only Word From God To Man.

    • The Religious Roman Catholics Of Today, Have No Knowledge Of the Historical Roots Of Their False Group.

    • These Religious Practices, Are Similar Also, To The Current Practices, And Continual Beliefs, Within The Many Jewish/Gentiles Messianic Movements Worldwide. In Which They Practice, And Teach, That In Order, To Be A Complete, Full, Participating Christian, That One Needs To Continue In Part, The Observances, Of Rules, and Regulations,- Along With Their Modern Day Interpretation’s Of The Law’s Of Moses, And The Prophets.-That They Have Their Own Private Interpretations Thereof.

    • Which They Have In Fact, By Their Private Interpretations,- In Which These Interpretations Are Define By The Current Leaders With In These Groups, Whether Gentile Or Jew-  Superseded, All Of The New Testament Teachings About The “New Covenant

    • Of Grace.”  These is FALSE.

    • These Groups, Along With Others, That Have Their Denomination’s Traditional View’s Elevated, As Being Equal With The Inspiration Of The Christian Bible, Those, That Have Through The Years Followed Theologians Instead Of The Dictates Of Scripture, Are Also FALSE. Through, Their Own Selected Views Of How Scripture Should Be Interpreted, That Have In Fact, Created Another Gospel. Created Through A Theologian, or Theologians, Views Of Their Private And Selective Interpretations of Scripture, This Is False.

    • For One To Think That That Roman Catholic Church Of Today, Had Written The Protestant Bible, Is Unequivocally False!

    • The Roman Catholic Church Of Today Wasn’t In Existence In This Time Period.

    • It’s Very Clear In the Scripture In Acts 2:10, It Was The Day Of Pentecost When Peter Spoke Before The Multitudes, Three Thousand Were Saved, And Became Christians (Followers Of Christ), Verse Ten, Of The Second Chapter, Of The Book Of Acts States, The Jews, And Converts To Judaism, Were There Listening To Peter, They Were From Rome, Of This Group, Three Thousand Believed On Christ, And Became Christians. They Then, Those From Rome, Returned To Rome. These Were The “First Christians In Rome.” In Addition, These New Christian Converts Struggled, With Many Of The Same Issues That The Apostle Paul Addressed With Other New Converts Within This Same Region.

    • IMPORTANT: Rome, Was the Center Of The Known World. Problems Arose Within The Christian Elders And Ministers, It’s So Sad For Me, To Have To Write, That Just As Others In The Past, Took Their Eyes Off A Jesus, And Then Began To Elevate Their Self’s, As Being More Important Than Others, Forgetting, Totally! The Words Of Christ, “In One Being A Christian, One Becomes A Servant To All Men.”

    • Power, Money, Prestige, And The Control, Over The New Converts In Rome, Soon Lead To- Within A Couple Very Short Centuries,- A Total Corruption Of The Principles Of Christ Took Place, The Christian In Rome, Soon, They Had Become Apostate.

    • Those Who Left Christ, And The Apostle’s Teachings, Began Pagan Practices, Which They Brought Into Everyday Practice. This Same Sinful Corruption, Was The Sin of The Jews, That Jesus Renounced, Over And Over To The Religious Leadership, Telling This Same Corrupted Religious Leadership,That Their Father Was Satan, The Devil. John 8:44

    • Now, This Apostate Group Of Heretics, In The Rome Church, Exerted It’s Power Through Collusion With The Heathen Leadership, Within The All Powerful Roman Government. In Breaking Away Totally, Through The Coming Centuries, From The Other Christians, Forming It’s False Ideals Of Pagan Worship, As The Truth, Creating To This Day Volume upon Volumes Of Traditions, With Them Stating That They, Are The True Church, Becoming Known As, The Roman Catholic Church Of Today.


    • Power Absolutely Corrupts.  I Would Encourage All To Stop An Look Within One’s Own Communities. As This False Church Spread It Spread By Accepting Sinful Practices.

    • It’s First Sign, It’s First Billboard Was, “The First Catholic Church Of Rome.” (catholic meaning all)

    • I Cannot Begin To Emphasize To The Readers Of This Page, The  Absolute Importance, Of  A Follower Of Christ, To Remain A Servant To All Men. It makes No Difference, Were One Is Today, Stop, And With A Bended Knee, Call Upon The One, The Christ, And Then First, Become His Servant! He, Then, Christ, Will Enable You To Be His Servant, To All Men Through “Grace.” 

    • You Might Then Asked? What Is it That The Servant Should Do? The Answer Is Clear! “Go Into All The World, Teaching And Making Disciples For Christ.”

    • A Word Of Caution! To The Christian Followers Of Christ, And Remember, If You Call Yourself A Christian, And You Follow The Dictates Of A Theologian, In That,- You Perform In Your Everyday Christian Actions,- In The Way That A Particular Theologian Says Or Believes Is The Correct Way, or Modern Day Version Interpretation, Even Though One Can Plainly Read In The Scripture, That Christ’s Ideals, Are In Fact, Being Compromised.

    • Christians Follow Only The Bible, Not Theologians, Nor Traditions, And Most Importantly, No Other Books As Being From God To Man.

    • Do Not Let These Works, Such as, Those That Say, Come Join Our Church, And It’s Many Good Programs, In Helping The Community, Those That Hand Out Used Clothing, Food, Or Working On Someone’s House, Going On Cruise Liners, Over And Over, And Then To Call It Ministry. To Those That Have Allowed The Church To Become A Babysitting Service.

    • All Those Listed Are Good Works, Which The World Can Ably Do, The Christian Can’t Allow These To Be A Substitute, As To The Exactness, As Those Works Being, The True Meaning Of The “Commission Call, In Going To All ,And Making Disciples of The Lord, This Is The Call To All Of His Believers.”

    • Could One Imagine A Conversation With Jesus Going Something Like This. Jesus, In 2009 Saying, “Come Follow Me, And Be My disciple?” Oh No Jesus, I’m A Single Mom/Dad, And I Have More Important Responsibilities, Global Warming, Neighborhood Recycling, And You Know, I have my Children To Raise, And They Are All I Got, And I’m Going To Make Sure, They Have A Better Life Than I had.

    • Yet, Jesus Asking Another, I Have To Continue My Job, My Retirement Is Coming In 10 Years.

    • Another, I Have A Full Scholarship To This Great Secular Institution.

    • Another, I Have A Wife And Kids, Maybe After Retirement.

    • And I Guess The Favorite One of Today Is The So Called Missions Trips, Going Around, Visiting Different Countries, And Of Course, Doing Something In the Local Churches There, However, The Focus is Seeing The World.

    • The Christian Is Commanded By Our Lord Jesus to Go And Teach And Make Disciples.

    • Is The Answer “Yes Lord!, Or Will It Be… Maybe Next Year? In The Mean Time, Lord, I’ll Pickup Some Trash, Or Do Some Public Works, Or Paint Someone House, And Get A Pat On the Back For It. That Is Lord, If I Have The Time. 


        Back Again To the Topic Here


        • The Roman Catholic Church Of Today, Has In Fact, Copied The Apostolic Writers Of The First Century. Then, Furthermore, Have Added Volume Upon Volumes, of Paganistic, Heathen, Based Practices, Into Their Church Traditions. Thus, Therefore, Then Claiming, Their Sinful Traditions, Are Equally Inspired, As Our Current Christian Canon; “The Christian Bible, Including The Old Covenant/Testament, And The New Covenant/Testament.

        • They Have Composed -Their Current  Catholic Bible-, With The Exception Of The Apocrypha Books- From The Very Same Scriptures  of The Ancient Jewish Writers Of The Old Covenant/Testament, And From Christ, And The Apostles, And Evangelists, From The New Covenant/Testament.

        • The Christian Bible of Today Was Used Centuries Before The Catholic’s Copied The Very Same Texts And Added the Apocrypha Books, And Their Traditions. That’s Historical Fact.


            • The Christian Faith Is Based Solely On The Old Covenant/Testament And New Covenant/Testament Books, Which Is Our Current Christian Bible.

            • The False Church.

            • What Is A False Church? And, The Obvious, In Recognizing One.

            • The False Church Is Lukewarm, (Apathy) To The Teaching’s Of The Bible, Of Christ’s And The Apostle’s.

            • The False Church, The False Religion Will Always Appease Man’s Flesh, And  To His/Her Desires And Wants. In Conjunction, An Appeal To Man And His Accomplishments And Skills.

            • The False Church, Reinforces To It’s Members That They Are Incapable Of Not Sinning, As A Christian. Thus, Giving False Justification To Heretical Doctrines. That God Has Saved One, By Grace, And Then These, Of This Persuasion, Reason, That If You Sin, And Continue Therein, That You Are Guarantee To Still Go To Heaven.

            • The False Church Is One In Which They Refuse To Accept Biblical Truths As The Rule of Faith. They Have Instead Created Their Own Doctrines.

            • The False Church, Is One Name After A Theologian, Minister Or Man, Therefore Indicating To The World That They Are Followers of This Theologian’s, Ministers or Man’s  Beliefs And Practices.

            • A False Religion Will Try To Enter Other Ideals, Along With Their Interpretational Books, As Being  From God.

            • A False Religion, As Apostle Paul Indicates, Will Bring In Other Rules And Regulations, As Additional Requirements That One Has To Do, In Order To be A Christian.

            • A False Religion Will Introduce Doctrine That Is Contrary To The Basic Teachings Of The Bible. Some, As Examples:

            • 1. That To Be A Christian, One Must Speak in Tongues, Which is False,

            • 2. Another, That One Is Truly Saved When Baptized In Water.

            • 3. Another, That One Needs To Commit To Public Service, In The Helping Of The Poor And Downtrodden, That, If One Doesn’t Believe, That This Is Indeed A Part of Their Salvation Beliefs,They Are Not A Christian.

            • 4. A False Religion Will Introduce That In Order For One need To Be A Christian One Needs To Continue To Practice All, Or In Part, The Old Covenant/Laws Rules, Regulations, Along With Celebrations Of Feast Days.

            • 5. A False Religion Are Groups That Live Unto Themselves, In Isolated Societies.

            • 6.A False Religion Are Those Without A Biblical Structure, Of God-Ordained Leadership.

            • 7. A False Religion, Are Those Who Accept All, Within The Church As Being Christian, Even Though, That Are In Fact, Living Lifestyles, That The Bible Expressly Condemns, Publicly And Openly Within Their Church.


                This Article Below Is An Example, Suffice To Say, That Describes The Demonic Control Of This False Religion Historically. The Article/Record Below, Can Be Multiply, Over And Over, To Country’s Worldwide, That Had Let The Roman Catholic Church Become Their Local Religion, Therefore, Heathen, Pagan Practices, Were Included, And Thus, Incorporated, Into The Roman Catholic Church’s Expansionist Policies. 


                ROME SENT:

                Missionaries were sent to the West Saxons. Kings would convert their kingdoms to Christianity, then their successors covert the kingdoms back to Heathenry, and folks would lapse back to the old religion when the Church was not looking. But this was the beginning of the end for Anglo-Saxon Heathenry. By 633 CE, the last great stand of Anglo-Saxon Heathenry was to begin. King Penda, Heathen king of Mercia sought to conquer the other Anglo-Saxon kingdoms. Over the next 22 years Penda, the last great Heathen king in England killed the Christian kings Edwin, Oswald, Oswin, Ecgric, and Sigebert before he himself died at the battle of Winwæd in 655 CE.

                In 685 CE, Cadwalla took the throne of Wessex to become the last Heathen king.

                In 686, the Isle of Wight, the last truly Heathen stronghold was converted to Christianity, and King Cadwalla of Wessex converted to Christianity in 688 CE, baptized by the Pope in Rome.

                Thus was the end of ancient Anglo-Saxon Heathenry in England amongst the kings

                While the kings and ealdormen of the Anglo-Saxons were converted to Christianity, it was not quite the same Christianity as was practiced in Rome.

                Christ was portrayed as a Germanic hero.

                Heathen charms were converted to Christian uses.

                Heathen rites were converted to Christianity.

                Symbel, ritualized drinking rounds continued to be practiced, with the toasts being Christianized.

                And the sacred feasts continued almost unchanged.

                Temples were converted to churches.

                "When Almighty God shall bring you to the most reverend Bishop Augustine, our brother, tell him what I have, after mature deliberation on the affairs of the English, determined upon, namely, that the temples of the idols in that nation ought not to be destroyed, but let the idols that are in them be destroyed; let holy water be made and sprinkled in the said temples – let altars be erected, and relics placed.

                For if those temples are well built, it is requisite that the be converted from the worship of devils to the service of the true God; that the nation, seeing that their temples are not destroyed, may remove error from their hearts and, knowing and adoring the true God, may the more familiarly resort to the places to which they have been accustomed…….

                And because they have been used to slaughter many oxen in the sacrifices to devils, some solemnity must be substituted for them on this account, as, for instance, that on the day of the dedication, or of the nativities of the holy martyrs whose relics are there deposited, they may build themselves huts of the boughs of trees about those churches which have been turned to that use from temples, and celebrate the solemnity with religious feasting, no more offering beasts to the devil, but killing cattle to the praise of God in their eating, and returning thanks to the Giver of all things for their sustenance; to the end that, whilst some outward gratifications are permitted them, they may the more easily consent to thee inward consolations of the grace of God." (translation of The Letter to Mellitus of 601 taken from J. H. Robinson, Readings in European History, Boston, 1905)




                In the first letters, of our Christian Bible, written by the Apostle Paul, in 52 AD, were from our now, southern Greece, and were hand carried, to the northern Greece area, to the first believer’s, in Christ, in Thessalonica, and then onto the believer’s, in the Galatians’ regions.

                These first letter are of importance. Paul was over a thousand miles from Jerusalem at this time.

                Yet, in fact, the first letters, where to address this problem of the false Jewish teacher’s. They were teaching, that in order to be a Christian, that the new Christian, after their conversion had to in fact, continue to practice and to follow the Mosaic Law. This supposition of obeying the “Law,” Paul thoroughly renounces, in no uncertain terms, in his letter’s to the former, and latter see below.  

                The early church history plainly, and historically, gives all a clear picture, of those who proclaimed their love and devotion to “Jesus.” Their ultimate sacrifice was death. The Jewish false teachers, were in part responsible, for bringing many to their deaths, that believed in Christ, as the “Messiah.”

                Today, we use words to disagree, back then, they used death, to those who disagreed.


                The Ideal, That There Are Two Types Of Christians, Is False!

                This Ideal Originated With The Jews Who Refused To Accept The Message Of Christ.

                And That Message Was, That To be A Christian; That It Is Based On Faith, Faith, In The Promise Made By God, To The Gentile Man “Abraham,” Of The Promise To Come, And Not To The Works of The Law.

                These False Jewish Teachers Followed The Apostle Paul; To Thessalonica, And Then On To The Regions Of Galatia. These Jewish False  Teachers Were Teaching, That In Order To be A Christian, One has To Understand And Therefore, Practice, The Ancient Jewish Religion. Mainly The Law, The Prophets, And The Psalms. Then To Observe, And Practice, The Main Feast Days Rituals. If One Didn’t Practice, These Ancient Rituals They Were Not Considered a Christian.

                This Was The Teaching’s Of The False Jewish Teachers.

                For Those Who Are Under The Law.

                They Are Exactly As The Apostle Says, “Their Lives Are Lived, Under The Curse Of The Law.



                I Have Decided To Use “The New Living Translation,” For These Passages. As This Translation, Is For Those, Who’s Primary Language Isn’t English, For Their Understanding Of The Word, That Is, The Christian Bible.

                In Saying That, The Responsibility Of Reading The Bible, And Praying, And Therefore Asking God, For A Clearer Revelation On This Topic,- As Well, As On Any Other Doctrinal Truth, That One Is Seeking To Understand.- The Responsibility Is Ours.

                For Each Of Us, Have To Stand In The “Judgment!” And, To Give An Account?


                The Christian Bible, From The Book Of Galatians, In The New Testament. We Now, That Are In Christ, Are Under “Grace!”

                Gal 3:1 NLT – Oh, foolish Galatians! What magician has cast an evil spell on you? For you used to see the meaning of Jesus Christ’s death as clearly as though I had shown you a signboard with a picture of Christ dying on the cross.

                Gal 3:2 NLT – Let me ask you this one question: Did you receive the Holy Spirit by keeping the law? Of course not, for the Holy Spirit came upon you only after you believed the message you heard about Christ.

                Gal 3:3 NLT – Have you lost your senses? After starting your Christian lives in the Spirit, why are you now trying to become perfect by your own human effort?

                Gal 3:4 NLT – You have suffered so much for the Good News. Surely it was not in vain, was it? Are you now going to just throw it all away?

                Gal 3:5 NLT – I ask you again, does God give you the Holy Spirit and work miracles among you because you obey the law of Moses? Of course not! It is because you believe the message you heard about Christ.

                Gal 3:6 NLT – In the same way, "Abraham believed God, so God declared him righteous because of his faith."

                Gal 3:7 NLT – The real children of Abraham, then, are all those who put their faith in God.

                Gal 3:8 NLT – What’s more, the Scriptures looked forward to this time when God would accept the Gentiles, too, on the basis of their faith. God promised this good news to Abraham long ago when he said, "All nations will be blessed through you."

                Gal 3:9 NLT – And so it is: All who put their faith in Christ share the same blessing Abraham received because of his faith.

                Gal 3:10 NLT – But those who depend on the law to make them right with God are under his curse, for the Scriptures say, "Cursed is everyone who does not observe and obey all these commands that are written in God’s Book of the Law."

                Gal 3:11 NLT – Consequently, it is clear that no one can ever be right with God by trying to keep the law. For the Scriptures say, "It is through faith that a righteous person has life."

                Gal 3:12 NLT – How different from this way of faith is the way of law, which says, "If you wish to find life by obeying the law, you must obey all of its commands."

                Gal 3:13 NLT – But Christ has rescued us from the curse pronounced by the law. When he was hung on the cross, he took upon himself the curse for our wrongdoing. For it is written in the Scriptures, "Cursed is everyone who is hung on a tree."

                Gal 3:14 NLT – Through the work of Christ Jesus, God has blessed the Gentiles with the same blessing he promised to Abraham, and we Christians receive the promised Holy Spirit through faith.

                Gal 3:15 NLT – Dear brothers and sisters, here’s an example from everyday life. Just as no one can set aside or amend an irrevocable agreement, so it is in this case.

                Gal 3:16 NLT – God gave the promise to Abraham and his child. And notice that it doesn’t say the promise was to his children, as if it meant many descendants. But the promise was to his child–and that, of course, means Christ.

                Gal 3:17 NLT – This is what I am trying to say: The agreement God made with Abraham could not be canceled 430 years later when God gave the law to Moses. God would be breaking his promise.

                Gal 3:18 NLT – For if the inheritance could be received only by keeping the law, then it would not be the result of accepting God’s promise. But God gave it to Abraham as a promise.

                Gal 3:19 NLT – Well then, why was the law given? It was given to show people how guilty they are. But this system of law was to last only until the coming of the child to whom God’s promise was made. And there is this further difference. God gave his laws to angels to give to Moses, who was the mediator between God and the people.

                Gal 3:20 NLT – Now a mediator is needed if two people enter into an agreement, but God acted on his own when he made his promise to Abraham.

                Gal 3:21 NLT – Well then, is there a conflict between God’s law and God’s promises? Absolutely not! If the law could have given us new life, we could have been made right with God by obeying it.

                Gal 3:22 NLT – But the Scriptures have declared that we are all prisoners of sin, so the only way to receive God’s promise is to believe in Jesus Christ.

                Gal 3:23 NLT – Until faith in Christ was shown to us as the way of becoming right with God, we were guarded by the law. We were kept in protective custody, so to speak, until we could put our faith in the coming Savior.

                Gal 3:24 NLT – Let me put it another way. The law was our guardian and teacher to lead us until Christ came. So now, through faith in Christ, we are made right with God.

                Gal 3:25 NLT – But now that faith in Christ has come, we no longer need the law as our guardian.

                Gal 3:26 NLT – So you are all children of God through faith in Christ Jesus.

                Gal 3:27 NLT – And all who have been united with Christ in baptism have been made like him.

                Gal 3:28 NLT – There is no longer Jew or Gentile, slave or free, male or female. For you are all Christians–you are one in Christ Jesus.

                Gal 3:29 NLT – And now that you belong to Christ, you are the true children of Abraham. You are his heirs, and now all the promises God gave to him belong to you.


                N. Oetker

                  The Christian Bible, is composed of two covenants, the former is “Old Covenant/Testament Hebrew Books.” The word Testament can be translated as Covenant also.

                  The latter is the New Covenant/Testament which has the word’s of Christ, the Apostles, and Evangelists.


                  The Bible, the first books and letters?

                  The question of authenticity and genuineness of the book’s and letter’s, of the Old and New Testaments.

                  The question as to the original Book’s and Letter’s of the Bible, and to there location now? and, or they even in existence?


                  ***Note The central thoughts should be, as to what we have today? The Bible. The question being, is what those inspired writers said, factual?


                  According to T.H. Horne’s monumental work on this very question, we have in fact now- at our disposal- a readily, quick references. The unusual perspective that Mr. Horne had, of his intentions, in the transmitting to us, here in the future, that of a continual reference, to the known early church writers, in the verification of his sources.

                  Simply an amazingly wonderful work, with and abundance of references. Truly, it’s what I have been looking for in further understanding the broadness of the universal faith, of Jesus Christ.

                  We-this modern day fast tract Christian of 2009, have been so limited, through a lack of understanding, of the vastness of our own world, and to the people, for which this Gospel was designed, and also, the opposition that it has in fact, meet through the centuries, and that opposition, is even of a greater degree now, in 2009.

                  The Good News, The Gospel, is a worldwide living, growing, evangelization, to the peoples of the world, who have yet to hear the good news about Jesus! the “Savor of the World.”

                  The trumpet’s blast, long and loud, through each century is deafening, compelling for those, within it’s glorious sound. 

                  The missionary call, the message, is to all, to come, to hear the message, of centuries old! come!

                  Into the arm’s of Christ! His loving redemption, peace, forgiveness, and love.

                  Come and be part of His family, His companionship, into which, we again are justified, before our heavenly Father.

                  As He, God, the Father, walked in the cool of the evening with Adam, so our heavenly Father now, walks with his children, that have experienced the new birth, into and through, Christ! They have been bought with a price, those, that have been redeemed, their repentant heart, are born anew, not into what one was before;  but now into a “Son of God!”

                  One who accepts Christ, is born into Christ. On becoming a Christian, “One is born again… into Christ!

                  “One is a New Creature In Christ.”  Then, most wonderfully, that which is love, holy, pure, and kind, leads you!

                  The new person in “Christ,” you! are lead into your purposed “Destiny.” 

                  You are His; “love” disciple, bringing to those- yet, who have not heard, yes, there are those yet- who haven’t heard this wonderful news, of being reconciled with God, the Father.  Amen, amen.


                  N. Oetker:

                  My interests below, began with, settling within myself, the very same question, that T.H. Horne wrestled with.  The authenticity of our current Bible, not only through the record of the Holy Brethren, but, likewise, through the Historical records, and of those who historically opposed the Christians.

                  And to show succinctly, that the Christian Bible of today, is, in fact, the writing’s of the first century: of Christ, the Apostles, and Evangelists’

                  *** Note: A blog writer- a non Christian- mocked one day writing, “provide the original letters or any book from the Christian Bible?”  I have said the following, so many times in my life, and that is, when certain things happened,- such as this blog writer-God had a plan working all along. I have been introduced, to a breathtaking world of study, that few have entered in. so..thanks blog writer! God can use anyone, no matter how hard one’s heart is toward Him.

                  *** Note: Eventually, demonstrating- through historical evidence,- that the Roman Catholic Church of today, weren’t the authors of our current canon

                  *** Note: Accordingly, that, when one will in fact, check historical documentations enclosed in the following,- in regards to the core points of Christianity,- in addition to it’s genuineness- these false religious groups, even those within mainstream Protestantism will be fact, plain to detect. An example being, such as one named the, “Central Church of The Lutherans,” which has continually disregarded the Christian Bible, as the rule of their faith, and to have allowed, man made, and in this case, outward sinful traditions, to be their rule, they have judged themselves, a false church.

                  Furthermore, any group, or organization, that claims to be Christian, and has allowed, their own traditions to become their rule of faith, instead of the Bible, is a false religion.


                  N. Oetker I have included the heresy of Prof. Eichhorne, that began through the miss interpretations, of different ancient manuscripts. later, there were those who try to imply that the Bible was not authentic, implying it was a good book, but one of myth.

                          ***Note Now, if one were to asked, why was the biblical attack centralized on the Pentateuch? the first five books of the Bible, the writings of Moses? and not the other writings, of the old Covenant?

                          I have included, in the following translation, again, this translation is the New Living Translation. I’m using this again, for the ease of understanding, for those who are new to the faith. This story by Moses, is where “sin” came into the world.

                          ***Note God tells the demon serpent in Gen. 3:15 that, through her offspring, will come one that will in fact, crush him, and all of his powers. Mankind will be redeemed, man’s sin will be removed, in order, that once more, man can have the relationship with his loving heavenly Father. Now, if those who oppose God, can make Moses’ writings of no consequence, a myth. Then that would mean, the death of Jesus, His sinless-life sacrifice, and His victorious Resurrection, would in fact, be a myth also. And that cannot be!


                          Gen 3:1 NLT – Now the serpent was the shrewdest of all the creatures the LORD God had made. "Really?" he asked the woman. "Did God really say you must not eat any of the fruit in the garden?"

                          Gen 3:2 NLT – "Of course we may eat it," the woman told him.

                          Gen 3:3 NLT – "It’s only the fruit from the tree at the center of the garden that we are not allowed to eat. God says we must not eat it or even touch it, or we will die."

                          Gen 3:4 NLT – "You won’t die!" the serpent hissed.

                          Gen 3:5 NLT – "God knows that your eyes will be opened when you eat it. You will become just like God, knowing everything, both good and evil."

                          Gen 3:6 NLT – The woman was convinced. The fruit looked so fresh and delicious, and it would make her so wise! So she ate some of the fruit. She also gave some to her husband, who was with her. Then he ate it, too.

                          Gen 3:7 NLT – At that moment, their eyes were opened, and they suddenly felt shame at their nakedness. So they strung fig leaves together around their hips to cover themselves.

                          Gen 3:8 NLT – Toward evening they heard the LORD God walking about in the garden, so they hid themselves among the trees.

                          Gen 3:9 NLT – The LORD God called to Adam, "Where are you?"

                          Gen 3:10 NLT – He replied, "I heard you, so I hid. I was afraid because I was naked."

                          Gen 3:11 NLT – "Who told you that you were naked?" the LORD God asked. "Have you eaten the fruit I commanded you not to eat?"

                          Gen 3:12 NLT – "Yes," Adam admitted, "but it was the woman you gave me who brought me the fruit, and I ate it."

                          Gen 3:13 NLT – Then the LORD God asked the woman, "How could you do such a thing?" "The serpent tricked me," she replied. "That’s why I ate it."

                          Gen 3:14 NLT – So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, you will be punished. You are singled out from all the domestic and wild animals of the whole earth to be cursed. You will grovel in the dust as long as you live, crawling along on your belly.

                          Gen 3:15 NLT – From now on, you and the woman will be enemies, and your offspring and her offspring will be enemies. He will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." …


                          The Christian Old Covenant/Testament Bible English, composed of thirty nine books.

                          1834 Thomas Hartwell Horne Published his first four volume monumental work in the English language, in regards to the authenticity of the Bible.   

                          1823 Professor Eichhorne said that the two words “Elohim, and Jehovah.”  Which are found, and used, in the first five books of the Christian Bible. These first five books, being called the Pentateuch. He claims, these two words were written, by two different writers of the Pentateuch; furthermore, that a third person, then wrote the Pentateuch. He claims Moses, wasn’t the rightful author.

                          This Prof. Eichhorne, wrong assumptions, were embraced by a host of others, who were in fact, set against, the Christian Bible as being the only, true, God inspired writing’s, for man.

                          Later, in the 1900’s, “The Fundamentals,” were written by 100 top Christian writers, explaining all point of Christianity, in refutation to this cult arising from the Eichhorne heresies.

                              The writer’s of the Fundamentals had used, as one of their sources, the above of T.H. Horne’s monumental work in English, on the authenticity of the Bible.


                              Bible history: from T.H.Horne.

                              The Old Testament Books That We Have Today, Have Been Recognized Through Out All Of Known History.

                              375 AD. Old Testament was catalogued by Athanasis.     Recognized by Epiphanius and Jerome.

                              350 AD. Old Testament was catalogued by Athanasis.     Recognized by Origen.

                              330 AD. Origen, a defender of the faith, defends Christendom in his published work against the philosopher Celsus.

                              290 AD. Old Testament was catalogued by Athanasis.     Recognized by Melito, Bishop of Sardis.

                              290 AD. The Greek Translation took place at this time by: Aquila, Theodotion, and Symmalus.

                              180 AD. The Old Syriac Version translated by Peschito.

                              130-50 AD. Tertullian, another defender of the faith, defends Christendom to all.

                              130 AD. Justin Martyr, another defender of the faith, defends Christ’s miracles.

                              ***Note: 100 AD. Approximately 70 years passes from Christ’s death, and His Resurrection, until the last Apostle died. Now, the miracles of the Apostles through Christ’s name, were as notable as those of Christ Himself. These most notable miracles, were on going during the lives of the Apostles, until the end of their lives. We therefore, have testimony of a host of secular historical writers, and those within the church, and even those who were against Christ and the church. Further, the miracles of the early by Christ and and His followers were done in the general public arena. Thousand upon thousands were participants. Some of these eye witnesses and possible miracle recipient’s living past 100 AD. therefore, a possible continual giving of their stories.  

                              100 AD. Quadratus, a defender of the faith, defends Christendom in his famous letter to the then emperor Adrian, this letter recorded in part by Eusebius

                              75 AD. Philo, the Egyptian Jew gave canonical authority to the Hebrew Bible.

                              60 AD. Josephus, a Jewish priest notes that the quotes from the New Testament books of Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, Acts, Romans, 1st and 2nd Corinthians, and 2 Timothy, about passages in the Old Testament.


                              ***Note: Jesus quotes the same Old Testament writings, that we have today, surely, then, Jesus isn’t going to quote something that is fictitious.

                              ***Note 1491BC Moses left Egypt, from that time until the last book of the Old Covenant was written by Malachi between 436-420 BC. a time of a 1020 years passed. As noted by T.H.Horne, the Jews lived under Moses law for 1500 years. Observing their three national feast days: Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. Thus, the law books were in with the Ark, which was guarded by one particular tribe of the people, as well as the remaining tribes.

                              This Law Book was the religious and political bases for their existence, and it was also the land rights of each tribe. All of societal rules, in regards, to their land rights, and, a whole host of other daily life observances.

                              These books were read yearly to the people, and copies were made, for each family had to know it, the fathers were thus charged to teach their children. So for as someone changing, this very public and well known books, is not likely to have happened.

                              Furthermore, this time period from Moses to Malachi, these 1020 years. As one can read, the Hebrew language became a dead language and then was translated into Greek, Syriac. The 1000 year period was catalogued by and with, Hebrew language markers, so it would most difficult, for one to be able know the markers, from a different or an earlier time period, therein one would be able to see, at what period something was written, by the lack of these earlier Hebrew language markers. Again, forgeries most unlikely. 


                              *** Note 282 BC. The Syro Chaldaic version was translated into Greek, by Jesus, son of Sirach, grandson.


                              *** Note The Bible listings below, included by T.H. Horne, Volume Two had also, the names of the translators and the place of printing.


                              *** Note The Alexandria Egyptian Jews, used this version, in their translation of the Hebrew text into Greek, which became the “Septuagent,” that we have today.

                              *** Note This Greek Septuagint, and the Latin Vulgate, with it’s New Testament writings, were translated into English, in the 1600’s.


                              This English version, was authorized by King James. Thus, becoming our “King James Version” of the Bible. However, there was in fact, an earlier English translation.


                              There was an earlier English versions of the Bible, in the 1535, by Tindal, and Coverdale.

                              Other translation of the entire Bible, in the 1500’s include:

                              1534 in German

                              1535 in French

                              1541 in Swedish

                              1551 in Danish

                              1560 in Dutch

                              1562 in Italian

                              1569 in Spanish

                              1581 in Russian

                              1529 in Helvetian dialect

                              1533 in the Lower Saxon dialect

                              1548 in the New Testament in Finnish with complete Bible in 1642

                              1553 in the Crotian language

                              1571 in Basque

                              1588 in Welsh

                              1589 in Hungarian

                              1584 in Wendish

                              1584 in Icelandic

                              1588 in the Pomeranian dialect

                              1596 in Polish

                              1593 in Bohemian

                              1599 in Hebrew of the New Testament

                              The above list was for Europe only, T.H. Horne also lists for Asia, Africa, and the Americas.


                              537 BC., 457 BC., and 444 B.C. Zerubabbel, Ezra, and Nehemiah, were those who in part, brought back the Jewish people to Jerusalem, from their Babylonian captivity.  It’s of note, that the Hebrew language, became a dead language at this time.

                               ***Note 537 BC. The Hebrews began speaking Chaldee and, or Greek.

                              538 BC., Babylonian captivity of the Jews because of their sin’s and rebellion towards God.

                              ***Note Jews in Palestine, needed a Chaldee paraphrase, in order to understand Hebrew.

                              *** Note Jews in Alexandria Egypt, needed the Greek translation, to translate their Hebrew Bible.

                              ***Note  All pure Hebrew was spoken, at the time of their, the Jews captivity 538 BC.. Now, one needs to keep in mind that the Hebrew Old Testament Scriptures, that we have today, are from those still, pure Hebrew writings.

                              634 BC. Pentateuch in existence 2 Chronicles 34:15, 34:21.

                              678 BC. 2 Kings 17:27 Samaria is to be restored, and the Jewish priest are sent from Babylon, to teach them the Laws of Moses.

                              912 BC. 2 Chronicles 17:9  Jehoshaphat King of Juda sent the Law Books of Moses around to all towns to teach the people.

                              1004 BC. Solomon regulated all of the Temple services written in Laws of Moses.

                              1042 BC. David, Solomon’s father did the same.

                              1061-1100 BC. Samuel the Prophet, did all according to the law of Moses.

                              T.H. Horne notes how incredibly difficult it would be, for the Jewish people, for whose whole lives revolved around the Laws written by Moses, and with their abeyance to them, for over 1500 years, for the directives within the laws, are most plane, for one to change them, would be almost an impossibility, for all that they owned, was governed by the laws within, their very houses, monies and lands, their families, were in fact dealt with within, they guarded these Laws above all else.


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